This Week on DVD (11/03/09)…

I’m always a bit surprised that the BBC folks don’t get more general nerd cred for their extraordinarily fine efforts with the Doctor Who discs. I guess you either watch (or watched) the show back in the day or you didn’t. Even so, as they continue to release every extant adventure remaining—sadly, several of the earliest ones are apparently lost forever—they continue to break their butts putting together a terrific package for each story arc.

This week’s releases include the triple arc package of Doctor Who: The Black Guardian Trilogy, starring Peter Davison, one story of which saw that return of the Brigadier and Unit from the show’s Pertwee/Tom Baker glory days. See the Amazon listing for a run-down on the amazing extras included in the package.

More interesting to me is the long awaited epic Doctor Who: The War Games. Frankly, I never cared overmuch for Davison’s bland Doctor, but conversely never felt I’d seen enough of the second Doctor, as played by Patrick Throughton. This is another mega-adventure, like the above featuring three discs, as the Doctor gets involved in a space war. Most of Throughton’s shows were destroyed by the BBC in years past, so this is a major release. One warning, though: The old shows could have a plodding pace, especially compared to today’s action-oriented ones, so you may not want to try to watch the ten episodes in a row or anything.

Other TV: Here’s Lucy S2; Mission Impossible S7 (Final Season; also a complete series set); Rockford Files Movie Collection; Spin City S3; Star Wars: The Clone Wars Season One, Walt Disney Treasures: Zorro Season One and—separately— Season Two; Witchblade The Complete Series

On to films:

GI Joe: The Rise of Cobra Dumb fun at least? Still haven’t really gotten a sense of whether it hits that bar or not.

Command Performance: Dolph Lundgren’s still making movies?!

Film Noir Classics: Nice package of noir from Columbia, hosted by Martin Scorsese, Michael Mann and Christopher Nolan. Features The Big Heat, Five Against the House, The Line-up, Murder by Contract and The Sniper.

Hardwired: How’s Oscar-winning actor Cuba Gooding Jr.’s career going? He’s now starring in DTV action flicks opposite Val Kilmer.

Sand Serpents: SyFy Original Movie. ‘Nuff said.

Wings of Desire Criterion Collection Another cinema classic from the fine folks at Criterion.

DTV Horror
The Beast Within (zombie movie, not ‘80s alien flick)
Bloody Beach
Dark Mirror
Mutants
Vampiro

  • Well I wouldn’t say I’m a Doctor Who fanatic, but I do own every single DVD produced of his TV show … hey wait. I guess I AM a Doctor Who fanatic. I LIKE Peter Davison, so there you, Philistine. But Patrick Troughton is amazingly fun, though he has hew comparatively few releases, due to the hand of Satan (thinly disguised as BBC bureaucrats) destroying most of his tapes.

  • I’ll fully admit my major problem with Davison might have been that he wasn’t (heavenly choir) Tom Baker…although I liked Baker a lot more in the early, Earth-bound years of his reign.

    On the other hand, I remember from long ago a particularly vile Dalek episode with Davison, where he refused to get his hands dirty by killing Davros when he had the chance, even though it would avert some grand catastrophe or other. However, then later in the same arc, he was entirely willing to run around spraying a batch of Daleks with some hideously deadly (to them) nerve agent, meaning that his precious ethics about taking a life were a huge lie. At that point I figured the difference was if he shot Davros, he’d have to live with with image of his huge head being shattered by bullets, whereas his numerous Dalek victims mostly died tidily in their mechanical shells where he couldn’t see it.

    I’m going back. I don’t like Davison’s Doctor.

  • Ericb

    I love Throughton’s Doctor. I’ve only got into Dr. who in the last two years and have been waiting for this one for a while. I just got this one from Netflix and will be watching it over the weekend.

  • I totally agree that Davison’s refusal to kill Davros, when he had ALREADY killed Daleks, in RESURRECTION OF THE DALEKS does not sit well, and almost spoils an otherwise terrific, dark episode. That scene is horrible, not in keeping with the Doctor’s personality (whom we know for a fact does not favor humanoid over non-humanoid life), and I really totally hate it. The rest of the episode is good, though, and he has other excellent shows. Just pick that cockroach out of your salad and keep eating, Ken.

  • Just pick that cockroach out of your salad and keep eating, Ken.”

    Well, damn, I can’t top that line.

    That was the show, alright. I saw it waaaaaay back at a very early Doctor Who convention (before they got all Star Treky with costumed folks upstaging each other with the amount of trivia they knew), my first glimpse a new Doctor who hadn’t started appearing in the States yet. So it could be that I was jaundiced by one particularly bad exampe of his run. Even so, man, I just found the guy kind of dull. He never seemed to want to actually do anything.

    I just got the Invasion of Time arc from inter-library loan, that’s a bit more my speed. When are they going to friggin’ release Terror of the Zygons, though?

  • When are they going to friggin’ release Terror of the Zygons, though?

    Not soon enough, that’s for sure.

  • Terror of the Zygons had several VHS releases and at least one Laserdisk release. You Morlocks who adopt new technology willy-nilly now suffer the cost of your criminality.

  • well I like Davison a lot, and it might be because I wasn’t watching Dr. Who back in the Tom Baker days so the change-over wasn’t an unpleasant surprise. I also liked Davison from ALL CREATURES GREAT AND SMALL. For the best-case Peter Davison argument, I recommend seeing THIS

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7boeBf5pbQ

    One the Fifth Doctor’s traits was that he had generally awesome companions, like Tegan “Legs” Jovanka, or the fascinating and ever-treacherous Turlough. I even didn’t mind Adric, whom I felt was excellent in his first appearance FULL CIRCLE as well as his last EARTHSHOCK. And Nyssa was very watchable. Compare to the dull lot that Jon Pertwee got stuck with.

  • fish eye no miko

    Re: Doctor Who: The Black Guardian Trilogy also introduced Turlough, who I rather like. It’s always interesting when the Doctor’s companions aren’t all goody-goody (in fact, Turlough first joins the crew to try to KILL the Doctor). He’s someone I’d love to see on the new show. Plus he was very striking-looking, being the very definition of ginger, and they were smart enough to put him in blue. And he looked good in a Speedo. ^_^

    BTW, I don’t think anyone else had mentioned it, so I will: “The War Games” was Partick Troughton’s last episode on DW (aside from guest roles in three “multiple Doctor” episodes), and the last that wasn’t filmed in color (though not all of Pertwee’s eps have surviving color prints).

    Moving to other things: I kinda like Clone Wars, though I’m not sure I like it enough to buy it… I’d rather just TiVo the eps I like. I tend to prefer the ones that have a lot with the clones (including “Rookies”, which focuses entirely on group of clones). It’s also weird to watch it knowing that most of these characters are either going to die or turn evil…

    Lastly: The Gi Joe movie. I don’t care if I sound like a rabid fangirl–I don’t want to watch a GI Joe movie where Destro and Cobra Commander look normal. It’s just wrong. d-:

  • fish eye no miko

    @Sandy Petersen: Oh, another Turlough fan! [cheers] And, yeah, thinking about it, I really think that Davison’s era is almost more defined by his companions than the Doctor himself (not necessarily a bad thing, imo). I will say, for the record, T. Baker was my first Doctor (our PBS station showed all his episodes. A LOT. I was so happy when they started showing other Doctors), yet I still find Davison plenty enjoyable. Though I can kind of see how his… low key approach can be off-putting, especially when contrasted to both his predecessor and his successor. Let’s face it, both Bakers played the character very… enthusiastically; so a quiet, mellow (almost timid) take on the character can easily be drowned out. And in Davison’s defense, he was specifically told to play the Doctor the way he did. T. Baker was very popular, and after seven years (still the longest run of any Doctor), he’d very much made the role his own. When it was time for Baker to move on, the producers of the show decided that the best way to break with Tom’s version was to go the exact opposite way with the character.
    Oh, and my two pfennig on the “he wouldn’t kill Davros” thing: The show’s always been all over the map with the Doctor’s morality. He hates guns, but will blow shit up all the time (cuz that’s LESS violent than using a gun?), he’ll kill off one-shot villains, but give long-time enemies who’ve killed countless billions–and will gladly keep doing so–“another chance”… Sheesh.

  • But wasn’t TotZ released on VHS as one of those edited-together movie compilations? Blech.

  • The basic problem with RESURRECTION OF THE DALEKS is that everyone is being killed – a lot of good people die – and Davison goes after Davros with the intent to shoot him. In that same exact episode, he kills Daleks, who are in fact less a threat to the universe than the unrepentant Davros. The only visible reason to spare Davros is, really, because he is humanoid, and the Daleks aren’t, and that seriously violates the Doctor’s ethos. I mean, I LIKE Davison, but I don’t like this part of the episode. I fear I sound like a bit of a hammerhead on the subject, but it bugs me no end. Esp. compared to how awesome he could be. And figures Fish Eye would prefer Turlough in a speedo to Tegan’s glorious gams. Must be a gender thing.

    The whole “no guns thing” is mostly a product of the Tennant years. Before then, he didn’t often carry a gun, but he didn’t seem to have moral objections that much. I assumed he was just a lousy shot.

  • Compare to the dull lot that Jon Pertwee got stuck with.Sarah Jane Smith? Dull? Liz Shaw? Dull? The Brigadier? Dull? i say thee nay.

    Colin Baker was the one who got stuck with the dull ones.

  • Bruce Probst

    For amusing, pithy, and insightful reviews of almost every Doctor Who story available on video or DVD (past and present), I recommend spending some time at

    http://www.androzani.com

    It’s run by a trio of ladies in New Zealand who are clearly Doctor Who fans but are not afraid to point out the faults in the stories, as they see them. Even if you disagree with them, they’ll probably get you to consider things about each story in a different light.

  • Rel

    Have you folks ever tried the audio Doctor Who adventures produced by Big Finish? They’re essentially well made radio plays, faeturing Davison, Baker, McCoy and McGann, and there are well over a hundred of them now. Freed from the confines of being made for broadcast on BBC1, they have really improved my opinions regarding the stars of the period when the BBC was, basically, slowly murdering the programme in front of its audience. Davison in particular comes over a lot better than he ever got the opportunity to before. His Doctor is adverse to using weaponry, but he feels like he’s let himself down if he has to stoop to that, which I think works rather nicely.

    If you’ve never tried them out, I recommend a listen to Davison in ‘Omega’ (guess who the villain in that one is…) and Jubilee, the original version of the much vaunted ‘Dalek’ episode of the new TV series. It’s so much better, there’s barely a comparison.

  • rel

    Edit: I meant ‘not adverse’, of course. Why are the words my brain skips over always the ones that completely change the meaning of what I’m saying?

  • The Brigadier is absolutely terrific, but what does Jo Grant have to offer? Maybe it’s just me but Liz Shaw doesn’t do that much for me. I agree that Colin Baker’s companions were thoroughly underwhelming.

    But I would go so far as to say that quite often the Doctor’s companions have been just flaccid foils to bounce his personality off. This is even true, for me, of the overrated Sarah Jane Smith. Compare to Tegan, who is quite mouthy and disobedient.

  • fish eye no miko

    Sandy Peteresen said: “And figures Fish Eye would prefer Turlough in a speedo to Tegan’s glorious gams. Must be a gender thing.”

    Yeah, wow, imagine a straight woman preferring to look at a half-naked guy over a half-naked gal. How astounding. Seriously, why did you even feel the need to mention this?

  • Comrade Misean is Dope

    “Compare to the dull lot that Jon Pertwee got stuck with.”

    ?@?@?@!??!/ :P Jo makes me sweat, and how dare thee attack Sarah Jane!

    As to Tom, well, the First Romana…Hot and feisty. His girl friend/wife Romana was ok.

    There’s a torrent available that has many missing Troughton eps…in fact it has the entire collection.

    I personally am not much of a fan of the 80’s and 90’s doctors. Probably the loss of Tom Baker…but Davison just screamed whimpy emasculated British disco…had to be tough for Davison as he was a professional athelete. His daughter guest starred in a Tennant ep. Smokin…

    My fav’s so far are

    1. Tom Baker
    2. David Tennant
    3. John Pertwee

    1. Billie Piper (Bite me!)
    2. Mary Tamm
    3. Katy Manning

    And K9….

    Cheers,

  • What does Jo Grant offer? What does Jo Grant offer?

    Not much. Kind of why I didn’t mention her in the first place. Although, in fairness, she isn’t as bad as I remembered her being.

    But both of them could get pretty mouthy with the Doctor when she wanted. Granted, not to the level of Tegan, but then who really could? Granted, it’s been years since I’ve seen Sarah’s Pertwee episodes and she might not have been quite the same as she was with Baker.

    This is not to say that they were better than, say, Tegan. And none of them quite compare to Leela or either Romana in my book. I just don’t think they were dull.

  • And by both of them I meant “Liz Shaw and Sarah Jane.” My kingdom for an edit feature…

  • GalaxyJane

    As far as Dr. Who goes, Peter Davison made a great Tristan Farnham.

    Jon Pertwee with Sarah Jane and the Brig will always be my favorite combination, but I have come to love Patrick Troughton over the years as his few remaining stories got more exposure. The War Games is a personal favorite and I’ve been waiting for it since they started releasing the shows to DVD. Our first view of the Time Lords (though Gallifrey is still unnamed some 6 years into the show’s run), the Doctor’s involuntary regeneration, so much of the series’ mythology really gets going with this story.

    I’ll have to set aside next weekend to watch this back to back with Spearhead from Space. This may involve locking the kids in a closet so they don’t whine.

    Of course season 2 of Sarah Jane Adventures is out Tuesday too, decisions, decisions….

  • ProfessorKettlewell

    If you get rankled at the vile stench of moral equivalence in ‘Resurrection of the Daleks’, check out ‘Warriors of the Deep’ where he has a moral quandry about gassing (Davison….always with the poison gas…) a murderous squad of Silurians who have just tried to genocide humans because ‘They were here First, so Earth Rightly belongs to Them’. The Doctor then revives one of them, is careless enough to let the Silurian grab a weapon and kill some more humans, and then makes a thunderously self-righteous speech condemning what was definitely an action of self-defence. We’re left with what I suppose is meant to be a thought-provoking close up of the Doctor saying something about “there should have been another way”.

    The 5th Doctor screws up all kinds of ways, too. He fails to prevent Adric’s death, then, in an attack of compensation syndrome, invites a murderer to join his crew. He fails to spot that Tegan’s clearly on the verge of PTSD even before she leaves, and then hands Turlough back to the regime that persecuted him!

    I can see what the writers were trying to do here – make a flawed, uncertain, even weak or wrong Doctor, but they didn’t have chops to pull it off.

    The Doctor doesn’t have a personal weapon of his own (which may very well be because he can’t shoot! He certainly doesn’t object to having armed people around him – the UNIT chaps, Leela, Captain Jack), but he has tooled up on occasion (‘The Seeds of Doom’ springs to mind).

    And Sandy….the loss of the stuff from the ’60’s is regrettable, but hardly evil. In fact, rather like the fossil record, we’re lucky to have any at all. The videotape used would (factoring in inflation) have cost about 25,000USD for a half-hour reel; they didn’t destroy the tape, they re-used it. There was no arrangement with the unions to repeat BBC programmes, and obviously no-one forsaw domestic video machines.

    The only reason we have anything at all from the early series is the EEEE-vil capitalists over at BBC Enterprises who had 16mm copies made to sell in foreign markets. That’s why missing episodes used to turn up in Nigeria and Hong Kong all the time.

  • Ericb

    Actually, since the BBC was a government run operation they should probably be called EEEEE-vil Socialists rather than EEEEE-vil Capitalists.

  • I am not prepared to defend my lukewarm assessment of Sarah Jane. Enough people love her for me to admit that my own opinion is clearly flawed.

    I don’t love Jon Pertwee as the Doctor, but I do love his episodes, if that makes any sense. He’s just a little bit too phony eccentric, what with his idiotic old car and foppish clothes. But his adventures are often first-rate.

    The Doctor/gun thing has become more of an issue in the newer spisodes. Several times David Tennant has opined about the turpitude of gun-using, and has sometimes seemed to object to even the presence of military order in the form of UNIT. I understand that he’s all anti-war because of the destruction of Gallifrey but surely, if Gallifrey had NOT fought in that war, things would hardly be better (seeing as the Daleks would preumably have triumphed without opposition).

    The claimed reason by the BBC itself on several occasions for taping over the old Doctor Who episodes was “storage space” which I find morally unacceptable. The pencil-pushing bureaucrats who made that decisions should have been jailed. And I blame this directly on the fact that the BBC was government run and didn’t care about re-runs or about profits. Almost every American TV show from the 60s and most of those from the 50s were carefully saved. There is no reason that the BBC, with all its funding and government immunity, should not have saved one of its most popular programs. They suck and I hate them. In this case the EE-vil capitalists of rhe USA show themselves far superior to the public-minded reds of the BBC.

  • Ericb

    One the other hand, the BBC did make Doctor Who and kept it on the air for decades. That’s more that can be said for any American sci fi series from those same decades.

  • fish eye no miko

    ProfessorKettlewell said: “then, in an attack of compensation syndrome, invites a murderer to join his crew.”

    Uh… he had no idea what Turlough was up to at the time. And in all fairness, Turlough wasn’t a murderer. He tried to kill the Doctor directly once, but after that failed, he quickly became less enthusiastic about the whole thing.

    “and then hands Turlough back to the regime that persecuted him!”

    No, Turlough decided to go back on his own.

  • ProfessorKettlewell

    Sandy and EricB: I don’t think I explained myself correctly: You’re spot-on that the BBC is publicly-funded and therefore count as Wicked Commie-dogs (in fact, it’s a matter or record that the BBC was not just ‘a bit leftie’ but openly pro-Soviet in the ’60’s, sharing tech research and so on, possibly implicated in espionage, so Eric isn’t exaggerating here.). But BBC Enterprises a different organisation; it’s is most definately a company, which most certainly does care about profits, who do EEEE-vil capitalist things such as **gasp** sell merchandising licenses, sell BBC product overseas, and organise **NOOOOO!!** ADVERTISING!! So in this case, it most certainly is the capitalists we have to thank for any ’60’s BBC output existing at all.

    Can I make a terrible joke and say that maybe Conservatives are just better at conserving?

    Sandy: It wasn’t that the BBC C.E’s didn’t ‘care’ about re-runs – there were often union agreements prohibiting them. You can read a ton of fascinating stuff about the BBC in the ’60’s at:

    http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/old%20bbc%20studios.htm

    Miko: I just found it a bit odd that all the Trion officer had to say was something like “oh, we don’t oppress dissidents any more”, and suddenly that made it OK.

  • Ericb

    Judging from the audio commentaries on the DVDs( which are great by the way. I look forward to them as much as the episodes themselves.) it appears that the BBC brass viewed the show with contempt which is probably the main reason so many of the early serials were lost.

  • JoshG

    I think it was more than just the fact that the BBC was publicly funded that made it communist but the fact that it basically had a monopoly on broadcasting at the time.

  • Ericb

    and the monopoly meant no syndication so why not save a few pounds on video tape and just tape over those silly Doctor Who stories.

    For a better comparison with American TV we’d need to know how many programs that were shot on video tape rather than film survive from the 60s. Aren’t most of the shows that you’d see on TV Land on film rather than video tape?

  • Reed

    I have to admit that Dr. Who geekdom is something that has totally escaped me over the years. I tried watching the show occassionally in the 80’s and early 90’s and was always left underwhelmed. So many other people with tastes similar to mine love the show that I am still tempted to give it another shot. That being said, the show has existed for so long now that it is a little overwhelming (finally, something overwhelming about the show!) to find a place to dive in.

    Where would be a good place for a total Who-neophyte to start? Easy access to the material is also a must – I don’t see myself going out of the way to try out a show I couldn’t sit through 20 years ago.

  • Ericb

    Reed, I just started getting into it in the past 2 years. I’m hardly a hardcore fan and I do little other than rent the DVDs on netflix. I have vague memories of watching a few epidsodes as a teen but they never really dragged me in for many of the reasons you mentioned. Nevertheless if you can overlook the terrible special effects and the sometimes absurd plotting the show can be quite entertaining. I started with the early Tom Baker episodes and then moved on to the Purtwee and then the 60s episoded that were available on DVD. The 80s era has left cold but I do like the new show though I’m a bit wary of the too young actor they’ve chosen to replace David Tennant (who I think is great)

    One of my faavorite things about the show in it golden era of the 60s and 70s were the guest actors and characters. In long 60s serials like The Invasion and The War Games it’s really the great villains that keep the sory moving.

    Here’s a link to a list of the classic episoded at the BBC website.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/

  • I saw an interview in the 1980s with one of the big wheels at the BBC. Sadly, it’s twenty years later and I no longer remember his name. I do remember how smug he was. The interviewer asked him which was the most popular of all the BBC’s shows, and he answered unhesitatingly “Doctor Who”. He was then asked, “Why, then, does Doctor Who have consistently one of the smallest budgets of all your shows?” The wheel responded that it had the VERY smallest budget of all the BBC’s shows (don’t know if that’s true, but that was his claim), and that this was just peachy keen. You see, Doctor Who was a SUCCESS. So it obviously didn’t need money pumped into it to keep it going. The money needed to go into less popular shows that the British Unwashed were not appreciating properly.

    This sums up for me everything that can be wrong with publicly funded media.

  • Ericb

    Sandy, is that dynamic all that different from successful film series like Godzilla or Planet of the Apes or the first run of Star Treck movies? The whole point of these series was that they had a built in audiences so the studios could spend less on each installment to make a similar percentage of profit.

  • P Stroud

    There is a definite section of the arts community that believes that art is only good if no one likes it. Public Broadcasting sometimes epitomizes that attitude.

  • Ericb

    American Public Television is pretty middle-brow. You’re not going to find much in the way of avant garde cinema or music. It’s mostly mainstream classical, oldies and easy listening/New Age as far a music is concerned. For drama they regularly broadcast classic movies and British costume dramas based on classic novels. One of the most popular things made by the American PBS was, of all things, a scienc fiction film. The PBS version of Ursula Leguin’s novel The Lathe of Heaven is much better than the A&E version that came out much later. I highly recommend it.

  • Ed

    Erm… did anyone notice the shameful typo that’s on the DVD box art?

    At the bottom, it reads “THE PATRICK THROUGHTON YEARS.” The man’s name is spelled “Troughton,” not “Throuhgton.”

  • fish eye no miko

    @Ed: Yeah, I saw that, too! Good jerb, guys!

  • ProfessorKettlewell

    Sandy: The point you raised is a great one, and it would take a textbook to answer. The very short and crude answer is this: in the ’80’s, BBC CE’s hated anything to do with science fiction or exploratory fiction. Now track back twenty years: Doctor Who was regarded as an excellent boot camp (or possibly WOC course) for new hires at the BBC. The budgets were tiny, the schedules ridiculous and the demands incredibly high. Actors would get their scripts on tuesday, rehearse in their street clothes in a rented church hall or something on wednesday and thursday, then do dress rehearsal on friday for recording on saturday. At the same time, the designers and decorators and composers and seamstresses and carpenters were flogging their guts out to make the props and sets and costumes and special effects and sounds that were needed. For 48 weeks per year. Often, monsters were delivered for recording with wet paint and soggy glue. The idea was that if you could survive that crucible for a year or two, you had the chops to really cut it in the ‘real’ BBC world, wherin lay the giddy heights of classic drama or documentary. I think Sandy got it spot-on when he said that it’s everything that *can* be wrong with public broadcasting.

    Yes, of course the effects were laughable and the acting was often shoddy, but the whole point is that it was getting done. I’ll get into ‘my opinion’ territory now, but I think that basic, fundamental difference between UK and U.S. TV at that time is that U.S. TV aimed to be ‘cinema in your home’ whereas UK TV aimed to be ‘theatre in your home’. In other words, Star Trek had to actually *show* a planet being destroyed, but Doctor Who could function by having a character say ‘oh my goodness, they destroyed a planet!!’. And that’s a comparison, not a value judgement.

    Final point for now: The BBC did *not* have a monopoly on broadcasting in the ’60’s. The ITV network had existed since 1957. ITV was a wholly commercial (advertising-funded) enterprise intended to check-and-balance the government-funded duopoly of the BBC. There’s a whole ‘nother textbook to be got out of this, but the ITV companies were producing outstanding material by themselves; I think it’s widely accepted that “Doctor Who” was pretty much an extension of ABC’s* 1960 series “Pathfinders in Space”.

    Now…..on to Reed…..
    Now I hate giving recommendations, since what I like is not…erm…..necessarily what everyone else likes. My absolute high watermark is the 1970 season (season 7), but some folks find the pace and structure of those stories a bit slow. Any of the Hammer-influenced early-70’s stories are pretty much unanimously regarded (‘Seeds of Doom’, ‘Talons of Weng-Chiang’, ‘Brain or Morbius’). And if you’re in a very patient mood, by no means discount the early-60’s historicals like ‘The Aztecs’, or the massively-scoped epics like ‘The Invasion’ or ‘The War Games’. And if you want ’80’s….watch ‘The Caves of Androzani’ and marvel at the fact that it was broadcast at 7:00pm. Let’s just say ‘a few arterial spurts short of Peckinpah’. Absolutely heartbreaking.

    Getting personal now: I hadn’t watched old ‘Doctor Who’ for years until I got one of them newfagled portable media players. I discovered that this is the perfect medium for watching black-and-white ‘Doctor Who’…..the tiny flickery screen and bad audio just about recreates the environment that the producers expected their viewers to be using. And honestly, watching Episode One of ‘The Web of Fear’ actually in a stalled subway train with the lights out at 11:00pm is incredibly atmospheric.

    So…as to advice….I can’t. Be aware that getting amongst Doctor Who fans is like getting amongst French Marxists: everyone agrees that they’re on the same side, but if you can find two people who actually agree with each other, you’re doing pretty well.

    Wow. This post went on for a long time. Anyone would think I’d been reading Jabootu or something.

    *the UK ABC = Associated Broadcasting. Later Thames TV.

  • Ericb

    The 60s Doctor Who is what you’d get if you threw Star Trek, The Outer Limits and Lost In Space into a Brundlefly machine.

  • ProfessorKettlewell

    Miko: I’m sorry for taking so long to reply, but I had to go back and recall some stuff. There was a very clear idea (so it seems) that the Doctor’s companions would each have lost a ‘loved one’: Adric’s brother, Nyssa’s father and Tegan’s Aunt, thus positioning them to have to ‘rely’ on The Doctor as a protector-father-figure…..which he absolutely failed to be. In the hands of a really good writer, this could have been uranium (and if you’re thinking Joss Weedon, you’re not alone;). The seeds of absolute f***ing genius are lurking just below the surface here: Tegan is on the surface a tough character concealing a very vulnerable interior, wheras Nyssa is a fragile exterior concealing a very strong personality. Adric is a very smart but socially-dysfunctional/borderline-autistic kid who looks up to the Doctor but constantly wants to prove how cool he is (except he isn’t). For me, the thing about Adric’s death isn’t that it’s a Heroic Sacrifice, but that it’s absolutely pointless: the freighter HAS to blow up and the dinosaurs HAVE to become extinct. No-one has to die. Adric kills himself in a display of adolescent hubris, pretty much trying to impress girls. Turlough is everything that Adric wasn’t: a nasty, self-serving SOB who was utterly cynical about everything (which is what made him so interesting!). That’s why the final minutes if ‘Planet of Fire’ rubbed me the wrong way: all it took was for some bloke from Trion to pop up and say “oh, we don’t oppress dissidents anymore” and he’s all “oh, OK then.”. It’s so completely out-of-charcter for someone who we’ve come to understand as someone who Never Trusts Anyone, Ever. Not even the Doctor.

    Oops. I wrote too much again.

  • The reason they spent less on subsequent installments of Star Trek and Planet of the Apes is because they expected a smaller viewing audience. When they thought they could get a bigger audience by spending more money (as in Aliens and Terminator 2), they did it. In the case of the BBC, the guy was absolutely blunt about hsi purpose. Doctor Who was doing well enough. Why spend more money on it? After all, it’s not like they had advertisers – the BBC’s salary gets paid by the reprehensible yearly TV and radio tax that my British friends have to pay.

    I am well aware that the BBC had no conception of SF or fantasy at the time. At their best, they simply ignored Doctor Who and let it potter along without interference. Later, when they got interested in it, they also got interested in destroying it. Look at how differently it’s run now. Doctor Who is a success today, and it’s had two major spinoffs – one for a MORE adult audience (Torchwood) and the other for a LESS adult audience (Sarah Jane adventures). Plus the doctor himself is heavily funded, has lots of specials, and is generally the golden boy. Now THAT’S how to support the second greatest TV show of all time.

    I am aware of the existence of ITV. However, Britain in the 1980s had only 4 TV channels. Two of them were reserved for the BBC. ITV had one. And there was a fourth channel reserved for various local stations (for instance in Wales it had a welsh-language station). But often the 4th channel was simply empty for many British.

    I am also aware that public broadcasting has come up with some good works. I love the PBS “Lathe of Heaven” as much as anybody. But I think it’s idiotic to claim that we had to have public TV to produce such works. The PBS “Lathe of Heaven” would have been just as successful on public TV. Doctor Who would have been a success on commercially-funded TV. The only shows that NEED the rarefied air of government funding are, IMO, by and large forgettable didactic bloviation.

    Doctor Who’s cult success in America demonstrates that it could absolutely survive here on a fair basis. (Yes I know it was initially broadcast on PBS. I think my case stands anyway. Plus America’s PBS receives a much smaller percentage of its wealth from the government so it’s not really comparable to the BBC.)

    In another mid-1980s interview about the BBC (again I don’t remmeber who it was), a man who was trying to get the BBC to fund some science-fiction film was going through the stages of various committee meetings, each time talking to a slightly-higher-ranked group of bureaucrats. He’d get grudging approval each time, and then move up to the next circle of meetings. Well, it was at the fourth series of meetings when one of the BBC wheels turned to him and asked, “Now please explain to me exactly what ‘telepathy’ is, again.” Rather than reply to her, he simply got up and left the meeting. He decided then and there that it was physically impossible for the BBC to produce his show – their culture was just too different. I mean, if you don’t know what “telepathy” is, you really can’t do SF. And yet this was the same organization that in the 1950s did Quatermass and in the 1960s did The Doctor. I find it pathetic.

  • ProfessorKettlewell

    Sandy said: “I mean, if you don’t know what “telepathy” is, you really can’t do SF. And yet this was the same organization that in the 1950s did Quatermass and in the 1960s did The Doctor. I find it pathetic.”

    Even amongst commie-dog euro-trash socialists like me, I don’t think you’d find many dissenters to that opinion. Libertarians like Sandy (may I call you a Libertarian? I certainly don’t mean it be an insult.) could case-study the BBC in the ’80’s as one way that Socialism Fails (and socialists should study it too!). Excessive bureaucracy, not enough accountability, and a mandate to spend monies obtained from taxation with no thought as to whose good it’s being spent: in short, too much paperwork, not enough real work….. The incredible irony is that this took place during the most aggressively new-right phase of government in the UK (it’s a fact that Thatcher was massively influenced by Robert Nozick and other anarcho-capitalist thinkers. That’s the origin her much-misquoted ‘no such thing as society, only the market’ speech. I have my criticisms of Thatcher, but I won’t have her misquoted. I do try to fight fair.) Basically, I think, you have a bunch of scared middle-management types in charge of this huge, lumbering Brontosaurus of an organisation, just hoping to Not Screw Up Too Badly before their pensions kicked in. When the gibbering, senile, old-school BBC was euthenised in the early-’90’s, it wasn’t a moment too soon (maybe ten years too late…). To pursue the metaphor, everyone new that the dying Brontosaurus needed to be replaced with a pack of Velociraptors, but no-one was quite ready to flip the climate.

    The thing is, smart people in the BBC saw this coming. As part of a school project, I interviewed a Prominent Producer at Pebble Mill in 1989 (and I was very young and very intimidated!), and he was very enthusiastic about some guy named David something who was about to produce a series called ‘Twin Peaks’. He was effusive that the ‘US model’ (privately funded productions, with post-production syndication) was the only way that really interesting TV was going to get made in the future.

    I’m sorry this went on long again, but Sandy dignified me with a long response, so I couldn’t do less.

  • Reed

    I wanted to thank everyone for the recommendations. I think that “The War Games” sounds like a fascinating place to re-enter Whoville. Of course, my historical problem with Who is that it sounds great and yet fails to hold my interest. Well, we see what happens this time around.

    I think it’s fascinating that the TV exec to whom Professor Kettlewell referred used Twin Peaks as a model. That show was so far off the norm for American TV that it’s really more the exception that proves the rule. I am not a Twin Peaks history completist, but my understanding of the show’s prodcution history from a couple of fanatics that I know is that the ratings dropped off precipitously about half way through the first season, and that the second season was produced by people who were actively trying to undermine David Lynch. Kind of a fascinating micro-cosm of TV productions in general, right there.

  • Ericb

    “The War Games” is a pretty good place to start. Since they had a slighly larger budget for the sets (the serial was as long as 2 or 3 of their shorter serials so they had in effect double the money to spend on sets and it shows) and as there are no monsters (where the cheapness of the effects budget is most glaring) it’s less likely to put someone off for the cheesiness. It’s only drawback is that it kind of drags towards the middle but don’t give up on it until the War Lord show’s up around episode 6. He’s a great villan.

  • First off, may I make it clear that I am in no way a Libertarian. Just so that’s clear.

    While Thatcher was certainly New Right, the BBC was still Old Left – it’s not like they were impelled to change their ways during her regime. In fact any attempt to do so would have been met by outrage and stonewalling.

  • professorKettlewell

    Sandy: correction duly observed and noted.