Godzilla King of the Monsters off the hook…

Godzilla King of the Monsters is officially off the summer’s box office failure list. This is both by dint of having basically broken even at the worldwide box office, as well as having its shortcomings obscure by far more grandiose bombs like Dark Phoenix and Men in Black International. Godzilla KOTM can now be viewed as underperforming, since auxiliary monies will push it into a modest (perhaps very modest) profit.

Again, though, compared to many big movies this summer (basically non-Disney ones), that’s actually enviable territory. Dark Phoenix as of June 23rd had reaped $232m worldwide, thus being outright trounced by the still underperforming Godzilla KOTM at $350m. Add to the fact that it also had a higher production budget ($200m as opposed to $170m for Godzilla KOTM), and well, the math is pretty clear.

Considering that the latter was a sequel to a moderately successful film make five years earlier, and that DP was the latest (and last) of Fox’s rather up and down X-Men franchise, that’s quite embarrassing. That’s true even compared to Men in Black International. Yes, the latter has so far made about $50m less than DP, but again, it’s production budget of $110m is only about half of DP.

Marvel has eating up nearly all the box office oxygen with Captain Marvel and, especially, Avengers Endgame. In an enjoyably cheesy move, Disney/Marvel will re-release the film this coming weekend with a new teaser ending or two. The movie is about $50m worldwide short of beating Avatar as the number one box office draw in movie history, and you’d have to think this stunt will easily push it over that mark.
Dark Phoenix defenders have pushed the idea that Disney sabotaged DP to make it easier to bring their own revamped X-Men into the MCU. There’s probably a bit of truth to that, but frankly DP doesn’t seem like it needed much sabotaging.

Also, the MCU seems in no real rush to fold the X-Men into the next ‘phase’ of their movies, seemingly focusing on finally doing something decent with the Fantastic Four while relying on their more recently introduced heroes (Black Panther, Captain Marvel) and bringing in more ‘cosmic’ characters with the Eternals and Nova.

I’m not sure there’s really that much appetite for that, but we’ll see I guess. I do hear the overarching story is the Korvac Saga, and I have to admit, that intrigues me. Although the big kick of Jim Shooter’s story at the time was the climax where the cosmic-powered Korvac slaughtered pretty much all the Avengers’ heavy hitters (as well as the comics’ different line-up of the Guardians of the Galaxy).

Well, filmgoers have now already seen that sort of thing with Thanos, and besides, Marvel jut retired a number of their big guns. People seem to genuinely like Black Panther, but I don’t know that anyone is really that invested in Captain Marvel, so it’s hard to believe those two will replace Iron Man and Captain America in terms of impact. As for the other heroes—Doctor Strange, Spider-Man, etc.,–again, we just saw the Thanos thing, so that seems a bit redundant. Anyway, we’ll see.

For myself, the 22 films that were closed out with Endgame were an amazingly entertaining ride. However, that might be enough for me. I’ll certainly see the films with the characters I care about, but I suspect I just won’t feel it necessary to see every single film, especially since the cosmic storylines, past Thanos, have never been my bag. Hell, I even like Doctor Who better when he is puttering around Earth fighting aliens with UNIT, as opposed to gallivanting around the universe. Since I can’t see how the MCU can really add any more audience members, I suspect on the whole the MCU will remain successful but not quite as fulsomely.

And even as it seems bound and determined to kill all fan interest in Star Wars, Disney is still dominating the box office to an unhealthy degree. Some of the only non-MCU blockbuster hits this summer will be Disney’s two live-action remakes (Aladdin and Lion King) and the latest Toy Story. The latter is again considered to have been an underperformer for “only” making $108m the opening weekend, domestic. Well, Dark Phoenix and Men in Black would have loved that sort of take, and Toy Story 4 will now just be very profitable rather than very very very profitable.

Anyway, one lesson is perhaps to stop relying on trying to bring back franchises that nobody really cares about anymore, like Ghostbusters and Men in Black. And if you are going to try to shove them down peoples’ throats, at least make really good movies. Part of this whole issue, of course, is that kids obviously just don’t rely solely on movies for entertainment, as they largely did when I was in high school. There are a lot more choices now. So they aren’t automatically going to go see a movie every weekend, meaning they are more and more only going to go when there is something they actually want to see.

By the way, hat’s off to Keanu Reeves, who has one of the only non-Disney hits this summer.

  • Beckoning Chasm

    I’m thinking Endgame will pretty much be it for the MCU. People have been complaining about “too many superhero movies” for some time now, and with the Thanos thing wrapped up and the main cast departing, people may start staying home.

  • Gamera977

    Well, I have to wonder does anyone make B-movies anymore? It seems everything is hyped to be the next break-out blockbuster. John Wick seems to be a good example of a more modestly budgeted film that makes money rather than breaking the bank with every single new film.

  • Eric Hinkle

    Given how sick I got of the X-angst long ago, I can’t pretend to be sorry to hear that it’s been killed dead at the movies. I’d rather that Godzilla and Toho got the bucks anyway.

  • Good to hear the movie isn’t a total failure. Personally I had thought it an improvement over the previous installment. And i really liked the last one.

  • Kirk

    To date, the best Fantastic Four movie was made by Roger Corman. Think about that for a minute.

  • I really wish we could stop determining the quality of a movie according to its opening weekend box office…….

  • ^^^ He’s right, you know. ^^^

  • Gamera977

    A guy I follow on Youtube claim Godzilla didn’t do better due to giant monster fatigue. Then named off five movies over the last decade! Love the guy but five movies over ten years don’t make fatigue in my eyes! I think they’re blaming it for everything these days.

  • Ericb

    As opposed to 22 MCU movies over 11 years, right?

  • CFKane

    Naw, the best Fantastic Four movie was made by Pixar. They called it “The Incredibles,” but it’s an FF movie.

  • Ken_Begg

    I kind of agree, but that doesn’t mean they won’t make money, they just won’t make as much money. Some will. I think people genuinely loved Black Panther in a way they didn’t love Captain Marvel, so the BP sequel will make as much or even more, possibly, while I would be surprised if the second CM makes as much, especially as a sequel wouldn’t be sandwiched between two Avengers movies. Also, Marvel suddenly seems dedicated to the “yell insultingly at a goodly portion of your audience” marketing strategy that’s worked wonders for Ghostbusters, Star Wars, Star Trek and Doctor Who. Time will tell.

  • Ken_Begg

    I was thinking that too, although the Wick movies might be an outlier. The entire studio system is geared now to making massively successful blockbuster movies. However, if Disney continues to monopolize that, it might make room for smaller pictures at the cinema again.

  • Ken_Begg

    Well, until Marvel brings it back. Hopefully they’ll be more consistent with it. Fantastic Four first, though!

  • Ken_Begg

    Hmm, if anyone here does that I’ll let you know.

  • Ken_Begg

    Again, I have to say I just don’t think monsters in general are that popular anymore. I wish it otherwise, but what was the last great movie monster? Predator? Freddy Kruger? I’m sure there’s something more recent I’m not thinking of, but it’s pretty rare.

  • Eric Hinkle

    “Suddenly”? I thought Marvel did that for years — wait, are we talking about the people working on the movies, or the ones working on the comics?

  • The Rev.

    I don’t know if I loved Black Panther, but it was quite good. The casting was pretty spot-on throughout, and it had some good action scenes (although the final one being so CGI-heavy was disappointing). I doubt they will, but I’d love to see Killmonger come back, as he was one of my favorite villains in the entire MCU run. I’ve also liked BP for a while now, which meant I was going to see the movie unless word of mouth was that it was horrible (and that wasn’t likely given Marvel’s track record).

    With this iteration of Captain Marvel, what I’ve seen of her in the comics I don’t like. I also didn’t find anything that compelling about Brie Larson in either Kong: Skull Island or Endgame (just saw it this weekend; really nice send-off), so I don’t think I missed much with giving Captain Marvel a pass.

    I’m kind of with you, Ken; I don’t think I’ll feel the compulsion to keep seeing these in the theater (although I’ll probably catch BP2, and also intend to see Spider-Man: Far From Home as I quite like Tom Holland in the role and enjoyed the previous movie).

  • The Rev.

    Same here, although I think the gulf is wider than you seem to. I’ve only seen the first one once; I’ve already seen the second one twice in theaters. I am relieved by this news, although of course I wish it had been a blockbuster hit (although I figured it was unlikely all things considered).

  • The Rev.

    I may be missing something more recent, but the last great monster movies would be Tremors and the Gamera trilogy. Well, maybe The Descent if that qualifies.

  • Eric Hinkle

    I just saw some commercials for a movie titled ‘Crawl’, about people in a flooded town dealing with man-eating gators. It looked like a solid B to me. Here’s hoping anyway.

  • Beckoning Chasm

    They MUST get Tobias Funke to play Ben Grimm.

  • Beckoning Chasm

    Yeah, Brie Larson seems to be working the same field as Melissa McCarthy…which worked out so well.

  • Gamera977

    Haven’t seen ‘The Descent’ but I can’t argue with the former ones as being really great monsters. I have to agree that monsters just don’t cut the mustard. Five movies in ten years ain’t fatigue…

  • kgb_san_diego

    YMMV, but I really liked Pacific Rim as a “Mecha fight giant monsters” movie. It was, at least, FAIRLY recent…

  • The Rev.

    I had a blast with Pacific Rim at the theater (I actually paid for 3-D and everything, and it was one of those rare movies that actually seemed to have been filmed with 3-D in mind, as it was done really well). It’s still fun at home, but I wouldn’t call it great, just good. Definitely not on the same level as the ones I listed.

  • Ken_Begg

    The MCU. It started with Captain Marvel and Brie Larson, and it more or less seems like it’ll be an ongoing thing from now on.

  • Ken_Begg

    Tremors is a good choice. I don’t know if norms could really identify the Descent monsters, which is kind of what I was talking about. Gamera was just an update of Gamera, not a newly created monster.

  • Ken_Begg

    You show 100 average people the Xenomorph, or Jason, or Chucky or the Predator and a majority will be able to identity them. Much less Dracula or the Monster or the Wolf Man. How many out of a 100 could identify the monsters from Pacific Rim or The Descent? That’s what I was getting at.

  • Marsden

    That’s one of the reasons I don’t ever pay attention to actors. The empty wagon rattles the most, why do I want to hear from some empty headed rich person telling me how to live.

  • zombiewhacker

    Another limiting factor these days is the lackluster character design. Artists for the Star Trek franchise always hewed the line that whatever they created for the shows, be it a starship or alien makeup or whatever, needed to be instantly recognizable yet simple in design. Any kid can draw Spock or Kirk’s Enterprise… or with a little more effort, perhaps Odo or Worf.

    By the same token, I was drawing Godzilla when I was five or six. Heck, what kid out there hasn’t drawn dinosaurs, for crying out loud?

    But more recent movie monsters don’t have that iconic look. Quick, everyone, without Googling images, draw the monster from Cloverfield. Or The Relic. Or DeNiro’s Frankenstein. Few modern concept artists are geniuses like Giger was, and that’s yet one more reason why so many modern ghoulies fail to capture the public’s imagination.

  • Ericb

    As has been mentioned at this site many times, CGI allows imaginations to run wild often resulting in overly complex monsters. Name one iconic monster that originally appeared in CGI.

  • zombiewhacker

    Mike Wazowski. j/k

  • Beckoning Chasm

    Probably not iconic, and certainly long forgotten, but I always thought the Bugs from Starship Troopers looked terrific. I still have a couple of the models.

  • Ken_Begg

    This. This exactly. I’ve thought that for years.

  • Gamera977

    Yeah, when I was thinking five monster movies over the last ten years I was listing the three ‘Monsterverse’ movies and the two ‘Pacific Rim’ ones.

  • Florin

    I wonder if we’ve hit peak superhero.I mean anyone looking at highest grossing movies since 2000 will notice that on average in the 2000’s we usually had 1-2 supers in the top 10.This went up in the 2010’s especially after 2012 with the release of the Avengers.So i wonder just how much bigger can supers get at the box office.Frankly speaking there’s only so many ways you can conquer/destroy the world before it gets lazy.I mean if DC brings in Darkseid say in the mid 2020’s won’t most people say ‘its a Thanos rip-off’ even if technically in the comics Darkseid was first?Almost all the supers have been adapted to the big screen all the supers that people may have heard off even mockingly(Aquaman) i’m not talking about more obscure supers although even many of those have been in the movies.The genre has been in pretty much all directions:overly serious,overly campy,PG-13,R rated comedy,R rated drama,deconstructions,reconstructions what is left at the end of the day?Even superhero parodies come in more than one flavor.More recently we even had a superhero horror Brightburn,So what is left for the genre to explore?Go more serious?Less serious?

  • Nate Winchester

    I think the makers of that film really missed an opportunity by not calling it “Gatorcaine.”

  • Eric Hinkle

    I would then be looking forward to the inevitable sequel, GATORCAINE VS. SHARKNADO.

  • Nate Winchester

    Shut up and take my money!