DC ‘comics’

In an earlier blog post, commentator Eric reacted negatively to my summation of DC comics these days. Admittedly, I don’t really read a lot of them, so that opinion might not be considered authoritative. Then I ran across this review from the Robot6 site:

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Batman: The Dark Knight Vol. 3: Mad (DC Comics): Poor Batman. His new continuity is only a few years old, and already he’s suffering from threat inflation, so that now seemingly every crime is one that could level Gotham City and every villain a mass-murderer with a three-figure body count to rival The Joker’s.

In this volume — collecting six issues and an annual from writer Gregg Hurwitz’s run on The Dark Knight — it’s The Mad Hatter’s turn for an upgrade. A villain formerly portrayed as either obsessed with hats or with Lewis Carrol’s Alice books or both, depending on the writer, Jervis Tetch here begins his road to villainy by killing a rabbit, then uses a step-ladder to reach the face of an underling who he proceeds to murder by plunging his thumbs into the victim’s eyes. From there, he murders a housewife by bashing her head in with an iron,  he kills hundreds—hundreds!—of Gothamites through his mind-control technology, and he then has Batman’s girlfriend killed…by having her beaten to death in front of him.

In response, Batman tears one of the Tweedles’ jaws off, beats the diminutive Hatter until he’s drenched in his villain’s blood, then tosses him into a pond to drown until Alfred reminds him that he can’t kill the Hatter, or else he’ll be no different from him. I don’t think Batman should ever resort to lethal force, but Alfred’s argument isn’t all that powerful as presented here, given that one side of the scale has a madman murdering scores of innocents, and the other has Batman killing said killer.

That’s not the only surprisingly cliched bit of the story, which invents a new origin full of childhood trauma for Jervis Tetch akin to those Hurwitz previously gave The Scarecrow and The Penguin. Batman also decides he loves his current girlfriend, reluctantly reveals his secret identity to her and then, the very next night, one of his foes murders her while attempting to torture Batman’s secret identity out of her.

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Marvel surely has some grim books too (and DC probably has some stuff a TAD less murder and rape crazy), but their most beloved books lately have been the really, really FUN ones like Hawkeye, and Daredevil, and the now sadly cancelled FF, and Wolverine and the X-Men. Indeed, it’s a mark of how good Marvel is these days, that I’m reading (via trade collections at the library) *two* X-Men titles, which I’ve generally avoided for several decades now.

The point is, though, that even if, say, Uncanny Avengers is pretty grim (if arguably better executed) in a DC-ish fashion–although I hear it’s gotten better–it’s still in contrast to the lighter, more fun books. Grim obviously works better as  contrast. One character like the Punisher is interesting. Having all your superheroes killing people, though, sort of diminishes the impact.

Also, let me give a plug to the superb horror western comic The Sixth Gun, which everyone should be reading.

  • Eric Hinkle

    Good lord! I figured that Batman was headed in a nasty direction when I found their new take on Mr. Freeze — remember the lonely scientist who tried to save his lovely wife? Now he’s a borderline necrophile who kills as casually as the Joker.

    If you read my response as doubting you earlier, Mister Begg, please accept my apologies for seeming to doubt you on this.

  • Gamera977

    Well, the Superfriends was kinda stupid but I’ll take it’s silly fun over this any day.

  • Ken_Begg

    No, I knew you believed me. Still, this sort of description really brings it home, doesn’t it?

  • Eric Hinkle

    That it does, sadly enough. I hope that someone at DC remembers that Batman’s code against killing only looks noble when he’s able to STOP the villains from engaging in repeated atrocities. When it isn’t, it makes him look like a fool.

  • Flangepart

    Ya know guys, this whole ‘You can’t kill or you’ll become like them’ is understandable…but it has some serious limits.
    If you totaled up all the victims of just the Joker after each escape from Arkham, you can see why some folks might call the Bat a SERIOUS moral weenie.
    A normal street thug? Let the cops have him…but the Joker?
    If the Bat sees no problem with beating the stuffing out of him, he might as well go all the way.
    It’s the only way to prevent REPEAT OFFENDERS!
    Those are the words. Those are the important words here- Repeat offenders. They will keep killing, and there is no reason to hold back.
    Comic book writers can be all high minded in a world they create, but don’t live in. It’s a reflection of how the leaders in the industry think.
    Take Peter David in his book of collums, BUT I DIGRESS. He’s a great writer, but that don’t mean I have to agree with all his views. And his world view is typically P.C.

    Fine, so long as he’s as up front about it as he is. He’s honest about it.
    Still, I can’t get behind the, well…anti Capital Punishment belief that seems to go along with what may be the real reason they don’t kack-off a villain…the need to make up another bad guy that keeps peoples attention, and that takes work!

    The super villains are guilty- no doubt about it. So…in ‘the real world’ they should be the first ones given the old bullet to the head.
    And those ripe bastards deserve it.
    Sorry…but comic these days are a REAL drag, and for the reasons Ken pointed to, the way comics are as nasty as a shiv to the eyeball.

  • Rock Baker

    Not too many months ago, I read about how DC thought they’d boost some sales with a major character being murdered, and thus the new Joker shot the new Catwoman between the eyes in a nice bloody display. Somehow, though, that just seems quaint now. I said it before, I’ll say it again, if DC came to me on bended knee and with blank check in hand, I’d walk away from them.

    I was going to work on a superhero strip tonight, but now I think I’ll draw on a cheesecake humor strip instead….

  • Jamie B.

    If you want some silly fun DC Animation, go check out “Batman, The Brave and The Bold”.

  • As if that weren’t bad enough, the Mad Hatter has also been depicted as a pedophile in recent years, with a penchant for kidnapping little girls named “Alice”.

    I know a guy who worked for DC who claims there are some sick puppies working there. He said some of those guys (which includes a few higher-ups) would sit around and joke about child molestation–not just an off-color joke here and there, but going so far as to pull up court transcripts involving such cases and share a hearty laugh over them.

    He refused to name names, so I won’t name his. That’s what he said, take it or leave it. Could be lying for all I know (he doesn’t seem like the type to BS), but with the kind of vile crap they put out these days, I’m inclined to believe him.

  • Eric Hinkle

    I second this! That was probably the best DC animation since the glory days of Dini & Timm.

  • paul

    I can’t remember the details, but someone made an argument to Spider-Man that he was responsible for everyone the green goblin killed, because every time he beat him, the green goblin would always come back and kill more people. I recall Spidey’s response being lame, something like “I just don’t kill people”.

  • Ken_Begg

    This is a Frank Miller trope, with Batman / Daredevil (depending on who he was writing at the time) feeling the guilt of each new murder committed by the Joker / Bullseye.

    The real problem, of course, is that all these characters are commercial properties, and thus they can never–or very very seldom–permanently ‘die.’ But even in a world where the heroes refuse to kill, surely there would be very aggressive capital punishment where all these mass murderers were concerned.

  • Toby Clark

    I remember seeing a blog post a while back about the Smallville season 11 comics and how they were a lot better than any of the current Superman lines from DC.