Sandy Petersen Hates Iron Man, Part 1

Sandy recently sent out an e-mail listing ten reasons he hated the recent Iron Man movie. Obviously he could have saved time by distilling them down to but one, “Because I’m a big, damn Communist.” Indeed, whilst going out to dinner with him last summer, as he blathered on and on about how much he had simply adored the then recently released Brendon Frasier version of Journey to the Center of the Earth, I’m pretty sure he was wearing one of those Che Guevera T-shirts and a beret.

Despite this, Sandy’s views are always worth listening to—barring, perhaps, his clearly irrational love of Journey to the Center of the Earth—so I thought I’d post his remarks here, and respond to them. This is meant to be a conversation, folks, so feel free to chip in your two cents in the message section below.

I really liked the movie myself, although it’s not a great cinematic achievement like The Dark Knight. Still, I’m a Marvel guy through and through, and I have to say, this was the best movie of a Marvel character ever, in my opinion. (Spider-Man II was pretty close, though.) The Hulk movie that followed was good, but not great. Meanwhile, if they pull off the Captain America and Avengers movies, well, I’ve little doubt those will be the greatest things I’ll ever see. In any case, that establishes where I’m coming from.

Anyway, on to Sandy’s note. I’ll break it down into separate posts, so as to milk this beyond all reason allow each point to be argued by the community at large:

“When Iron Man came out, I went to see it in the theaters with my son. After about 40 minutes, the theater’s power went out and they let us go with a rain check (which I foolishly wasted on Journey to the Center of the Earth the next week).*

Well I finally saw Iron Man in all its glory now that it is on DVD and post-movie, I realized that I spent much of the viewing complaining about stuff in the film. Here is a brief summary.

1) Robert Downey Jr. does a piss-poor job of playing a genius IMO. Ken brought this to my attention in a way, when he remarked in a letter to me that Patrick McGoohan & Peter Cushing were both able to project “raw intelligence” onto the screen, which is a powerful statement. Downey does not have this facility.”

[*Sandy clearly felt that using his rain check on one of his myriad viewings of JttCotE was “wasted” because he should have been supporting the film more strongly by actually buying his ticket. This is why he returned to the lobby and bought a fresh ticket each time he sat through the movie six times in a row one Saturday.]

This is probably the assertion that will prove most controversial. Most people, myself included, felt Downey WAS Tony Stark, to the proverbial T. However, I can sort of see what Sandy is getting at here. It’s true, Downey does not have that knack of projecting great intelligence onto his characters, certainly not to the extent that McGoohan or Cushing (or Andre Brauer or Robbie Coltrane or Jeremy Brett or Hugh Laurie—mostly TV actors,* note, because working in close-up all the time probably fits this sort of talent).

[*Also mostly Brits, sad to say.]

The thing is, though, that the Stark presented here is less Edison than Michelangelo, not a technocrat but an artist swimming in nearly superhuman inspiration. Think of the foolish, undisciplined Mozart from Amadeus and you’ve got Downey’s Stark fairly well nailed, at least as things start. Indeed, since the ’80s nearly soul-destroying alcoholism has been another Stark trademark, which again is something that Downey, sadly, brings to the table. In any case, Downey’s previously has played genius artists, such as Chaplin, and I think he plays this version of Stark, a completely valid one, perfectly.

For my money, the only great “thinking” actor who might have played Stark as well might have been the young Orson Welles, because he also, like Downey, himself embodied many of the character traits that sums Stark up.

  • Blackadder

    Don’t call Sandy Petersen a communist! Call of Cthulhu is the greatest RPG ever (maybe one of greatest things ever, period). I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone do a terribly difficult subject like H.P. Lovecraft as much justice in any medium of any kind. Sandy is the man!

    Although he is wrong about Iron Man and RDJ. Iron Man was really a pretty good movie, and RDJ is one of our better modern actors – albeit sadly troubled. Of course, I may be too easy to please – I also liked Journey to the Center of the Earth (in 3D!) Still, Call of Cthulhu rocks. And having a young Orson Welles back would rock even more. I wish that were really an option…

  • Joseph Evenson

    I second the comment (and praise) of Mr. Petersen’s RPG work, but I think he’s off the mark on this assessment. One of the elements, IMO, which distinguishes Tony from many other comic supergeniuses is how precisely he mimics famous businessmen and industrialists (Howard Hughes, as one example)-he’s as much a larger then life public figure as he is a pure scientist (in comic terms, could you imagine, say, Reed Richards driving around in sports cars, holding press conferences, and making gossip columns?). I think the ‘celebrity’ aspect of Tony Stark is as important as his technical genius, and Downey was perfectly cast for that.

  • BeckoningChasm

    The thing about Iron Man is, much like Batman, it’s all in the suit, and the suit was great. Think of the two recent Batman films and how the character of Batman was just “menace” as opposed to Bruce Wayne, who I think came across as a bit dissolute. By contrast, I think some of Tony Stark came through Iron Man. Not much–he still seemed very robotlike at times–but some.

    The thing is, like Batman, the hero and his superhero persona have to be very distinct. (Spider-Man is one of the few who have very similar characters when in and out of costume.) Part of that, I think, is the necessary distance one has to put between the man and the power.

    This isn’t to say that Sandy Peterson should like Iron Man because I do. Nor am I trying to invalidate his view.

    Anyway, JttCotE? I mean, I thought it was okay (hate the red-green home-video 3-D, though…they should not bother if they can’t do polarized). But it seemed very, very Disney at times.

  • Bruce Probst

    While I, too, think Call of Cthulhu rocks as a game, sadly I must assert here that the evidence currently available indicates that Sandy’s taste in movies is, er, well, er, it sucks, OK?

    Iron Man rocks. There! Argue your way out of that one, Mr Petersen, if you can!!

  • Brandi

    I’m far from certain that Iron Man as depicted in the comics from Stan Lee’s debut onward was EVER shown as intelligent in the sense Sandy’s looking for (and if you want to discuss Stark’s intelligence as seen in recent Marvel storylines, take it to scans_daily or something).

    What Downey NAILED was Stark’s breezy cockiness that, in good times, makes him an inspired designer and in bad times makes him an arrogant jackass and probably contributes to his addiction problems (“Me? Tony Stark? Alcoholic? Too smart for that!”).

  • Joe11

    I always thought if they ever made an Iron Man movie, that Tom Cruise would’ve been the perfect choice for Stark. I could easily accept Cruise (& RDJ) as an arrogant billioniare playboy & scientist. But, I don’t think Cruise could have the same comedic timing & chemistry that RDJ had in those scenes with Gwyneth Paltrow. RDJ is Tony Stark.

    Here are my top 2 piss-poor jobs of people playing “geniuses”:

    2. Tara Reid as an anthropologist in Alone in the Dark
    1. Denise Richards as a nuclear physicist in The World is not Enough

  • Sandy Petersen

    1) I will let the record stand for itself re: me and JttCotE. Ecch.

    2) I have 9 more arguments coming about why I hated Iron Man. This is only my first salvo. I stand by my believe that RDJ was an unconvincing scientist, though I do agree he made a pretty good Howard Hughes type. But Howard Hughes was not really a scientist.

    3) Someone accused me of saying RDJ was a crappy actor. While he is not my favorite actor of all time, that was not the gist of my argument. I also stand by my argument that he didn’t project intelligence – a trait shared by certain actors I love (like John Wayne).

    4) America has had heaps of actors who can project raw intelligence. Vincent Price, Lee Van Cleef, and Martin Landau, for instance.

    5) This site weakens working-class solidarity by setting racial and ethnic groups against each other. You’re to be first up against the wall, Ken!

  • Reed

    I hate to appear to be badmouthing John Wayne on Ken’s site, but I can not agree that he projected intelligence on the screen. Unless possibly it was done via microdots during showings of The Green Berets, which I can totally see. Stoicism, yes. Pugnaciousness, certainly. Intelligence…

    I also am in the camp that Downey was the perfect Tony Stark. Projected intelligence is just not a trait that the character required.

    What I hated was the entire sequence with the Air Force trying to shoot down Iron Man. Hopefully that comes up in the later points.

  • The Rev. D.D.

    Reed, Mr. Petersen meant that some of his favorite actors DIDN’T project intelligence, but they were still fun to watch. It doesn’t hamper their ability to act, unless of course they’re trying to portray a genius.
    John Wayne would be his example, and a good one at that I think. No one would ask his screen persona for help on their homework.
    Of course, everyone would call said persona “Sir” and never intimate they thought he was dumb, unless they were looking for free, pain-filled reconstructive dentistry…

  • Sandy Petersen

    Correct. I meant that John Wayne did not project intelligence.

    I guess I expected Tony Stark to seem smart because he was able to build an entire bullet-proof, napalm-projecting armored suit out of rocket parts, not to mention creating a mini fusion reactor the size of his fist (where the heck did he get the deuterium from?). That seems like a “smart guy” thing to do.

    Which reminds me, ANOTHER reason I hate Iron Man. The stated reason Tony needs the electromagnet in his chest is completely obviously stupid. To keep iron filings from working their way into his heart? How does the magnet do this? Why does it not pull the filings back OUT over time? Why doesn’t Stark go into a hospital for open-heart surgery when he gets back, and have the filings taken out, like by a doctor? And why is the effect of “iron filings entering your heart” to make you slowly go unconscious instead heart stoppage? Gah.