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Post I hate the Godzilla Millenium series.
on: October 22, 2012, 01:43
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I really do.

And it started suckin' immediately with Godzilla 2000. This movie was supposed to wash the fecal taste of the Emmerich Godzilla movie out of our mouths, but it seemed to take a fair number of cues from it. worst of all the twee mood that gives away that nobody is in any real danger. Garbage.

After that movie, the rest of the series was the same damn thing over and over: Godzilla fights opponent in a fight scene that becomes boring because its five times longer than it needs to be, and the fight features more laser beam/fire breath action that animalistic action. And with the exception of Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla, there's absolutely no character drama at all. And the character drana in Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla has a resolution too easy to predict to be interesting.

And the last one, Godzilla: Final Wars. S**t the bed, it was AWFUL!!! Props for throwing in plenty of monsters, but there were so many that none of them really got a chance to shine. And the Matrix-style choreography was just a huge damn distraction.

I like the good entries in the Showa Godzilla films, and I almost uniformly like the Heisei Godzilla films (Godzilla Vs. Spacegodzilla being the exception). But the Millennium Godzilla movies, to steal a phrase from El Santo of 1000 Misspent Hours.......SUCKS SYPHYLLITIC MOOSE COCK!!!

**pant, gasp, pant**...............Just sayin'.

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Post Re: I hate the Godzilla Millenium series.
on: October 23, 2012, 07:13
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Wow...
Ya gotta stop holding back.
Seriously though,I can understand your aggravation.
G 2000 had a number of goofy moves, even for a G flick. Sure, G comes back as an arse kicker, but not enough to overcome the uninspiring voice work, and plot holes King Gidorah could fly through...even for a G flick.
Okay, this genre takes a lot of suspended belief, but as we saw in the Showa and heisi that can be done.
Personally, I think letting space aliens into the mix knocks the whole concept on it's side.
Keep it at humanity Vs. Kaiju and that's enough. Then we have a way to relate to the whole 'monsters as natural disasters' idea.
Blow it up beyond this planet, and you start getting waaaay too much for a normal mind to take seriously...even got a G flick.

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Post Re: I hate the Godzilla Millenium series.
on: October 23, 2012, 12:35
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Quite so. Adding aliens pretty much necessitates that Godzilla be a good guy (maybe a default good guy, but STILL!).

He wasn't a good guy in Godzilla 2000, but the "hero" seemed to think he was. That spiel he gives at the very end, when he speaks of Godzilla being a net positive for humanity as we watch Godzilla vaporize buildings indiscriminately. I just don't get how anyone thought that was a good idea.

Nor do I understand that extra-large spike in the center of Godzilla's back.

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Post Re: I hate the Godzilla Millenium series.
on: October 24, 2012, 08:06
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Extra big spike? Because they can.

Aliens change the story too much. The inevitable higher tech level an alien space traveling race would have makes Kaiju seem...lesser somehow, and you have to work out why a species that can burn say, anti-matter to cross the vast distances of space, can't figger out a way to tromp Godzilla-esque wee beasties as a matter of course.
I mean, Godzilla Vs. Imperial Star destroyer...no contest. They can blast him from orbit, and he can't touch them! Gamera maybe...
Hee Hee hee...Gamera vs Tie fighters!

And don't even mention the Death Star! Moff tarken would just laugh.

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Post Re: I hate the Godzilla Millenium series.
on: October 24, 2012, 08:09
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Oh...and Godzilla as a hero would require him to have human ethical standards.
Forces of nature don't have those, they just blow up and do their thing at random.Kinda like raw animal emotion guiding a hurricane, so to speak.

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Post Re: I hate the Godzilla Millenium series.
on: October 24, 2012, 15:27
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Interesting, I found almost all the Heisei films pretty dull and liked the last three Millennium films that came just before Final Wars (Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla was one Tokyo: SOS anther and I forgot the third. Final Wars to me at least wasn't really a kaiju film - it was martial arts with Godzilla tossed in to sell it.

Stil the Showa films were nearest and dearest to my heart.

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Post Re: I hate the Godzilla Millenium series.
on: October 25, 2012, 10:21
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The one you forgot was Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack.

Pretty cumbersome title, isn't it? But that was the Millenium movie I liked the best. I like the idea of Godzilla having no pupils in his eyes. Just a tiny detail, but impossible to miss. Altering his origin into something more mystical shows that at least somebody was trying to freshen it a bit.

I really can't get into the new Twin Fairies, though. They're not twins, and probably not even related at all. Hell, one of them is a half a head taller than the other. And showing them hanging out when there are no humans to see them (this is was in Tokyo: SOS) kinda hurts the otherworldliness of them.

Of course, the Heisei movies' Fairies disappointed as well. In Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla II, they've joined the modern world as schoolteachers.

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Post Re: I hate the Godzilla Millenium series.
on: October 25, 2012, 10:40
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GMK is the only Millennium one I remember liking, although I still felt disappointed since I'd expected something on the level of the Gamera trilogy (same director). G2K had a good beginning and ending, but the middle brought it down. GvMegaguirus had a couple of decent monster moments (as well as some embarrassing ones), but the plot was crap. I pretty much hated GxM, but oddly found GMM kind of fun, if not exactly good. (I think it was the increase in monster stuff that did it, or maybe lowered expectations from the previous film.) Final Wars probably pissed me off the most, because there was some damn good monster stuff in it, but Kaneko decided he wanted to make a movie about mutant alien ninjas and barely gave any time to said monster stuff, all so he could have Science Patrol rejects with anime hair brood and strike stupid poses and flip around on wires for minutes on end.

The portrayers of the Fairies in the Showa series were the best. The rest have been stiffs. The two in the Heisei Mothra trilogy were so bad that they quickly have the viewer on the side of the evil fairy, Belvara, because she's so much more enterataining and talented. Plus she rides Garugaru the dragon, who is 5000 times better than Fairy Mothra. Her neutering in the third movie is probably the biggest problem in it, which is saying something considering how awful it is.

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Post Re: I hate the Godzilla Millenium series.
on: October 26, 2012, 08:15
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<< but Kaneko decided he wanted to make a movie about mutant alien ninjas and barely gave any time to said monster stuff, all so he could have Science Patrol rejects with anime hair brood and strike stupid poses and flip around on wires for minutes on end.>>

E-yup...
The childish posturing is what makes it hard for westerners like me to take it seriously.
Reminds me of the problem most adults have with kids shows, what makes us mock so many of them; the way they're based on random emotion and disconnected logic.
I worked hard to grow up, and I don't want to spend too much time reliving my bumbling youth, thank you very much.
I know, that's likely what make so many folks love riffing,Used as a way to say 'Hey, I grew up.'

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